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September 3, 2021 6:10 pm

App State Coach Shawn Clark (9/2/21)

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September 3, 2021 6:10 pm

On this edition of The Drive Josh talks with App Head Coach Shawn Clark, Jones Angell ahead of UNC VT, and Rhinestone Cowboy Friday.

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All this is Josh your time well I was dead wrong about the Pirates wasn't on Mountaineer fans today is your day going Clark will join us shortly at 330. Let's just get the shaming portion of today's proceedings out of the way. Get it out of our system so we can finally talk football Robert. I know you've got Sarah McLachlan cooked up for later just hit me with it now so we can you take me out of my misery. We can get to the bet we can get to the football just hit me with it.

I finally got there with East Carolina two days ago I didn't even like pirates, plus the points might biggest concern area I feel most comfortable about with the pirate quarterback this evening taking East Carolina state, seven are in there as well drink it cold and turning the day the gangs all here abed is about. I plan to wear in upstate you're living out on Monday.

I will feel great about it but I also don't believe East Carolina is a bad football team either state was just better and it was an impressive display in Charlotte to me the difference in the game was that quarterback you heard some of the play-by-play from just a second ago Chase price. Nothing else Did was surprising to me dominant O line play their coach used to be a next-day offense of lineman. He was a no line coach. That's what he does their identity. That's what the mountaineers have been doing for decades.

So the running game naturally was going to be good couple hundred yard rushers following behind those big guys pushing the wine back. Can't say I was surprised by that.

The defense top, and the group of five last year you got 10 starters back last year. I think they averaged about 20 points allowed per game so 19 was right on the money for where they've been the one area I had the biggest?

About turned out to be one of the strengths of the mountaineers. I didn't see it coming.

It was Chase price delivering 20 of 27 for 260 yards and two touchdowns and he was going.

He took shots downfield, Robert. I had deep sinking feeling in my gut the first play from scrimmage. I don't know if you remember it all week.

I was listening to press conferences from coach Clark and the one guy he singled out a handful of times. Robert talking about the Pirates to Quan McMillan Say their corner to Quan McMillan, one of the best corners in America.

So what does that do the first play from scrimmage.

They take a shot and they take a shot right it McMillan as if to tell you were confident were not to back down were going to ghost right at you and even though the pass fell incomplete.

Not many others fell incomplete. He had confidence.

The two biggest rose were deep shots after East Carolina had that opening score to go up six to nothing it was followed up with that bomb to Hennigan that was right on the money.

Then in the second half.

East Carolina gets on the scoreboard. There feeling pretty good. They still have some life after a field goal to play drive you have the bomb to Hennigan than the touchdown to Sutton was a Charlotte product.

He took shots I didn't see that coming. And Brian Geiser was talking about this earlier with AG but I want to go a step further. I hope people realize how unprecedented what Appalachian states doing right now.

We've never seen this before in college football, not from Marshall, not from I could pull a laundry list of different examples teams going from FCS to FPS and not really seeing drop the mountaineers have one bad year when they went from FCS to the Sunbelt first year they really struggle, but then they adapted and they one double figure games that second year was Satterfield. It's amazing to consider, and I think we got the sound from Sean Clark from last night.

Don't wait where State is just cycling coaches who aren't leaving because of poor performance, but because they're getting a head coaching job at Missouri or at Louisville power five jobs and you're not seeing drop off in the going from quarterback to quarterback. Whether it's Wam or Thomas and now Chase price and the success is just there and I came away so impressed with what Appalachian State did. I wish I would've heard Sean Clark say this before beating East Carolina.

But this is some of his postgame comments. If I heard coach Clark told me this on Tuesday or Wednesday. I guarantee you I would be making a bet wearing it upstate you're living out and I promise you that this was coach Clark goes back to two Sunday and Monday when we had guards using music rights are locked in a Roth ruling Tuesday you wrote through the wares. He came back here Wednesday night and I told our director of operations is over will work better after losing a game is done.

Unbelievable. 36 777-1600 if you wanted on twitter at WSJ asked sports. Tonight it's finally here or I guess I should say this afternoon Robert. We discussed this before, when does the afternoon blend into night 6 o'clock kick Tar Heels hoagies is that a late afternoon kick or is that a night kickoff think anything after four is no longer the afternoon evening toylike after literally afternoon after noon 12 o'clock. I struggle with this to 4 o'clock. I would say that's afternoon.

Well, tonight were going to get some answers some real answers about the Tar Heels talk in season it's over now. You gotta start delivering and for a team like North Carolina first impressions really do matter. The nation is going to be watching at 6 PM. There are only four games across the country on after 15 last night. I think North Carolina is the only team ranked in the top 10 were in the top 15 or I think even in the top 20 in the AP poll. It's an action, the night Utah because the only other ranked team. So everybody's gonna be watching you got background you got the Heisman quarterback it's a ACC game right out of the gate and like it or not fair or not opinions will be molded based on your first impression. Many of the people that watch vote for the Heisman Trophy. There could have eyes on you tonight and if you have a stinker or if you don't meet expectations that it's going to be hard to overcome that first impression that people create tonight if they're unimpressive that's going to matter for a guy like Sam Howe trying to Vita B Heisman Trophy winner if they are impressive.

The lookout because snorkeling is not to lose the Georgia state next week. They're not going to lose to Virginia in two weeks I came to Canaan.

I don't think her to lose on the road at Georgia Tech out of the regular lose to Florida State or Duke both those gains are Canaan as well-is only going to climb.

So the first impressions they work both ways. Working. Working on his favor. Could work against the Tar Heels style of play will be the most intriguing thing to me. I think it will be telling if North Carolina wins, and I do expect them to even know even though a bit uneasy about this all week long will Norco want to be balanced or will it look like a big 12 team sling it all over the yard after losing two 1000 yard rushers. That's a big question that I have last two years we've seen this game high score. I was at the game a year ago in North Carolina one 5645, two years ago it was said at the time NCAA record for overtimes 60 tees between the Pirates are not the Pirates I'm done with them between the Tar Heels and the hoagies North Carolina lost that game in Blacksburg while points scored and you got a lot of guys back who played in both those games and perform pretty well.

James Mitchell was top performer for Virginia Tech a year ago at the gate led them in receiving had over 100 yards. The tided Robinson taking on Robinson he went. I remember he had a couple of scores two years ago and that six overtime game Trey Turner he's back for Virginia Tech. Braxton Burmeister is not hidden hooker, but he's a returning starter at quarterback. I don't want to get into a shootout you North Carolina so the question becomes can you win and in a variety of different ways. I hope that's what North Carolina does, because that will be telling to me if they can limit defense or when the special-teams they didn't do a heck of a heck of a lot of that last year if they lose a loss would be earth shattering. There goes the ACC camp. Each of dreams. There goes any hope of being a top 10 team. The Heisman housetop, it's all gone and I don't suspect it's going to dissipate the night. As soon as the schedule was revealed. The ACC slate. This was the game I pointed all these big games across the ACC in week one.

This is what I felt.

The most impactful conference game wise. I like North Carolina to win it. Tar Heels 31 Virginia Tech 24. As I mentioned at state coach Sean Clark to be with us at 330 NC State, but that we forgot about you Wolfpack fans at state one last night, NC stated today sent a message and I'll tell you what I interpreted that message to be next on the drive a lot of knowledge about things. So you're on the drive with Josh Graham on WSJ asked sports go to the Mountaineer Sean Clark is here will you in on something I'm sure you find. I wish you would've told me how confident you were going in the last night I heard your postgame comments were you said on Tuesday and Wednesday he saw how dialed and you guys were and you just knew you were going to win because it's no secret me and Robert.

We talked about this before we we went to East Carolina and I drink some of the pirate, no Kool-Aid and said probably the Pirates are going to win last night and some of the upstate fans and there are a ton of them in the triad told me to backup my words and one of them put up and at state cheerleading outfit and said if I was wrong.

He would bring it to the studio next week.

Something might happen. That's probably gonna make my parents not so proud.

So I wish you would've told me that would've been good information to have coach when we are left to play complementary football all three. Dr. Clark is reluctant to bend the hunter around the hundred in our commerce around the country now well honey right now you're down three that that's a great record and usually extensions that Appalachian State that's that's a bad season so goal be wanted no I know that throughout the week.

We are locked. Her focus to what many mental errors, and where team meeting Wednesday night that the meeting October coaches we got. This gives over and now they probably are God's competed away plainly in our program when the adrenaline skilling after a season-opening win and it's a night game I heard you guys got back around 230 3 o'clock in the morning how you sleep after that, and then about family status of the working I worked about 5 o'clock. We got breakfast and now were going to go to Miami so very exciting game or Gerald big plus for us. We are friends of Elizabeth and college football and jacked up for kids and for work done and will relax afternoon. Tell me something that didn't stand out so much right in front of you on the sideline as it's happening, but when you watch the tape you sent man that was impressive at our office of Lampley very well and we will in fact was that are acceptable, but you will a great quarterback Jason C version and you a lot of credit but mom played very well Chastely, mostly evening and that was fun to watch. Just a lot Carolina and really looking have large spectacles used mapping turnaround event to losing season so we know how to win. Will it take to win our graduate rate Statement Sean Clark with us here on WSJ asked sports. You mentioned the preps already started with Miami given all Miami has lost on the D line and what you just said about your guys up front how much, how good do you feel about your group's ability to match up with a power five top 25 ranked team next week. Right now we have a respect for Miami to guys we would never be heard forever is reversible but a good opportunity for us to represent Sunbelt map alleges that university is a great part of the filament we got quite error-free to make mistakes and and were able to get a chance to win some clocks with this year, the office of line, something I expect to be really good when teams are coached by head coach who played offense of line and has background as a no line code so that didn't really surprise me, but seeing how much push you guys had in the trenches and running back Clay obviously was really good to when you have a couple hundred yards rosters.

The defense last year. Maybe the best defense in the group of five, so it didn't surprise me. See what you guys did last night either. But having seen what chase Bryce struggled with last year at Duke. That was it? For a lot of Mountaineer fans last night wanted to see what it looked like I know you've given a lot of praise to chase going into the year and certainly last night when did you have an idea chase Bryce could execute this offense, that kind of way will not permit last year.

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A great reader in our culture today for Chase last year. He never had a chance to meet in person. What is coaches so for project work before the first game that's hard and he came here spring practice and watch me evolve barley off the first scrimmage in parking for seven touchdowns. A very good, never happier before the special talent that God won't appraise see what was there with Lori and JC have you fun last night and got in 2022 years older played a high level but just watch and enjoy the game and have fun. It was very rewarding for us. What did David cut Cliff tell you that resonated most that you bought and said Yep okay cut Cliff saying this about chase Bryce. This is something we need to seriously consider what actually probably drop we go way back is unfortunate the way it happened and run the system log" every college football quarterback whisper many you are Manny and Jones speak for yourself guys down there that strive for the winter. You had a bad year he would take if he was like so professions were for last night. Absent Clark with This Year on WSJ Asked Sports. What You're Describing with Chase Kind of Reminds Me of What Panther Coaches Have Been Saying about Sam Donald Going into This Year and Sam Said Something Yesterday That One of the Areas He Specifically Wanted to Work on Is Trusting His Protection Because He Didn't Have A Lot Of Great Protection in New York and He's Been Watching Film of Himself and He Notices the Happy Feet Happy Feet in the Pocket and He's Wanting to Calm Things down. It's Been an Adjustment. There Are Some Scar Tissue There for Sam Donald, Has There Been an Adjustment at All. With Chase Given the Turnovers and A Lot Of the Pressure He Felt Not Getting A Lot Of Great Protection at Duke Where You See Chase Getting Adapted to Having a Trustworthy Line in Front of Them and Becoming More Comfortable in This Offense and Our Program after When the Game. Eight Receivers in Place Anywhere in the Country. Great Running Back Pablo Knight Managed to Gain an Care – You Throw Your Team in the End Zone and and Don't Try to Make the Placement That's Going to Be on ESPN Maze Again and Don't Want to Classify All Change the Play There Are. My First Intuition, but These Instructions Plays Right but When for Events That Have Been a Really Good Quarterback. I Saw You Finally Met Lou Combs Last Night How Tobacco Became the Locker Room Actually Loopholes in My Office about 38 Minutes Ago You Here for about an Hour about a Great Ambassador for Our University. You Love This Place That Is Big. So Here Tomorrow Night Great Weekend Big Time When ESPN Had Just Come Back A Lot Of Tape Will Go to the Concert Tomorrow and Get over to Miami on Sunday so Getting Any Shots like Christmas Right Now. I'm Excited to See Palladian Again. Do I Have It Right That You and Lou Combs Were Singing in the Locker Room Last Night Going around. We Have a Fall Leasing the Program for Whatever Will He Do Their Thing on My Phone with Me so We Saying My Heart Loved It Places Electric Last Night Was Fun to Be There on and on about Some Clark Ever Sing Karaoke. You Little Bit. You Will Want to Hear the Radio but Now I Carried Her to Lou Combs so That's What You're Saying or Singing Country Are Getting on Stage You Got Maybe a Josef in Your Hand. And Hey Were Working to Sing Some Eric Churchill Comes at without Question.

What We Do from West Virginia Love Music about Real People Dog Will Provide for Music but That I like the Back Relax with Local Music Is Good for so Graduations Last Night. Charlotte Was Fun to Watch and See in Others Fans in the Stands and Such Even Know Me and Robert's Alma Mater Lost and It's Just Great to Watch a Great Team, Execute You Guys Did Just That and Were Certainly to Be Written for You Guys in Miami Next Week. Thanks for Doing This Again Think You Are yet That Me on My Fellow and I'll Try to Make Us Go Rock with What You Are. So Thanks, Brad Miller Had a Great Weekend Goes, That's John Clark Kind Enough to Be Here at WSJ Asked Sports Robert We We Have Quite the Group Going Here When It Comes to Rhinestone Cowboy on Fridays.

If Sean Clark Was Added to That Mix. I Think You'd Fit in Pretty Well Don't You. I Don't Know We Got like the Deep Cupboard He Would Have To Reach Those Parts of His Voice, and I Don't Think There Anymore, Especially after Hollering Last Night You and You've Got the Twain Depart down. I Think It Would Be 20 Can't You Just Picture Sean Clark Though with a Josef He's on Stage Maybe Singing. You Don't Call Me by Your Name David Allen Call Nam Always Been a Picture Sean Clark. Just like Last Night When He Had 10 People in the Field Needed 11 Is My Favorite Sean Clark Moment of the Whole Game Is on Count Got to 10, He Realized It Was 11 They Pull Everybody off the Field They Call a Timeout in There That You Find out Who the One God Is Not out There Is a Vast Way into Him and I Just Shown Spatial during the Whole Thing Was Hollering This Thing Was so Mad Even Though He Was Laying the Smack down. There Are A Lot Of College Football Games to Talk about Their 15 Games Last Night, Robert.

We Got a Ton of Great College Football Games Coming up This Weekend.

We Don't Have Nearly the Time to Spend Lengthy Amount of Time Talking about Each One. So Here's What Were Going to Do. We Got Keep It Simple. Five Words or Less and I See You Have This Segment and It Comes in Handy on Days like This Football Friday. Keep It Simple.

Next on the Drive Case Josh Gray WSJ Asked Sports. Let's Get a Live Report out from Lane Stadium Went by the Voice of the Tar Heels Jones Angel and I Want to Start on a Personal Note for You Jones Because You're Going to Be There in a Full Stadium of Fans Not Broadcasting Remotely. But Being There in the Action Are Member Dave Clawson Last Year Said Just Kicking It off Last Year, Even Though There Were Any Fans Felt like an Achievement. And He Took a Step Back and Was Kind of Emotional about Just Getting Last Year and Getting Kicked off, so in 90 Minutes When They're Playing.

Enter Sandman and the Hoagies Are Streaming out onto the Field and the Stands Are Full. What Do You Imagine You're Going to Be Feeling and Thinking about That Time Berkeley Relevant to Where We Are Now Compared to Where You Were a Year Ago at This Time Last Year You Didn't Know It Was Going to Her Current. It Could Be Done Safely and What Would Look like and What Will Get What You Thought Such an Uncertain Time. So the Fast Forward Here Now, a Year Later.

Once We All Understand That.

But to Be a Better Place to Park Our Knowledge of What's Happening Thing All the Different Things That Pop to Get to This Point with the Sport of Football and Have the Full to Have the Picture to Get Exciting. I Think the Lead up to This Year, Energetic and Exciting Anyone Because Everybody Did Realize What They Go Getting Kicked off When When All the Big Game We Can Kick off I Think Will All Excited That Game. Of Course, but Also Have a Little More Appealing Because What I'm Interested in Style of Play Tonight. Carolina without to 1000 Yard Rushers. I Fear North Carolina Could Lean a Bit One-Dimensional at Times and Look like a Running Gun Big 12 Team. I Guess Background Is a Thing or Two about the Big 12 so That Would Make Some Sense. You Have a Similar Fear or Do You Feel This Team Can Play and Win a Variety of Ways That All Valid Oriole Probably Don't Know What Their Identity Is Right Now Because You Are Missing Nearly Dark. Your Go You Back Your Finger but Got Competent Level That It Had at Running Back and Watch Varying Levels of Experience, yet They Feel like They Know What Competent and Even Really Know You Think You Know Your Best Options Already Who Will Excel in Certain Situations but You Just Don't Really Know What Happened.

I Do Think There's the Lack of That Carolyn Is Often but I Don't Think Carolina Protocol by Game.

I Think the Book on Phil Longo Real Big All over the Place Offered to Coordinator If You Really Look at the Numbers.

A Major A Football Nearly 50% of the Time. Last Year Matt Brown and Phil Longo at Wall Air Raid Portion of the Offense.

In the past Getting What They Want. Paired up with the Power Running Back Early to Get That.

A Big Way Last Year like the Last Things Is with This Year.

Voice of the Tar Heels from Blacksburg the Last Two Times You Want to Split Virginia Tech You Have These High-Scoring Games and North Carolina Has Obviously the Ability to Pack Some Punch. Virginia Tech Has Braxton Burmeister Back. He Was in a Tandem with Hookers from the Triad Last Year, Attendance Playing Elsewhere. I Look at the Top Three Receivers That Tech Has Back to Me and Robinson Trey Turner James Mitchell Is Our Familiar Names.

So, Do You Anticipate A Lot Of Points Being up on the Scoreboard or with This Being the Opener May Be Teams Feel Each Other out a Little Bit.

It's Always Dangerous to Drive out to Be a Game or Poking the Door or the Other Way. I Will Say Though, I Would Be Why If It Would Have High Scoring Game. It Was Last Year for a Couple of One What We Talk about What Carolina Victorio Door Are Still Figuring Things out a Little Bit.

I Think Carolina Defense Is A Lot Better Than It Was. I Think It Will Be Able to Better Slow Virginia Tech. The Opposing Team. I Think Carolina Will Have a Better Opportunity to Be More Successful on the Side Only. You Are Not Going to Play Your Best That There's Going to Be a Penalty in There That You Would Make a Silly Turnover. A Mistake in the Kicking Game Something like That Happens More Often in Week One and It Does What You Have Written a Year and so Avenida Could Be, but I Would Be Fried If You Don't Want to at That Level of Topic That This Particular Day. Last Thing before We Get Back to the Games of Last Night the Winds for Appalachian State and NC State North Carolina Virginia Tech Six Clock Tick Later This Afternoon I Actually Want to Transition the Basketball for a Bit.

Have You Had a Chance to Step inside the Smith Center and Watch Some of the Summer Workouts under Coach Dave in a Couple Weeks Excitement around That Whenever You Make a Coaching Change. However, It Is Yeah I Think That There's Some Real Excitement around What Carolina Basketball but a Long Way to Go, to Be Played before That Happened to Get That We Always Are Really Fired up about How Strange Is to Watch a North Carolina Practice Run without Williams Being Thing Running It. Yeah, Absolutely. I Think That Happens Any Time the Game That Feel Different, but I Think Part of What Made Carolina Consistently Excellent Work Is That While It Will Be a Different Bear Coach Carolina. Best of All, the Core Principle Both on and off the Court That Will Remain Why What's so Important to Carolina in Total.

Find Whoever the Next Go to Be Understood That It Could Nurture That Yes You Carolina Basketball.

Good Luck Maneuvering the Cow Pastors and Mountains and All of That and Blacksburg Have a Great Call Tonight.

We Look Forward to Catching up Sometime Soon. Watching the Game. Looking Forward to Day Goes the Voice of the Tar Heels Jones Angel Big Weekend Robert, You Were Talking about Things You Got Going on Tomorrow. I Point This out on Social Media. I Mentioned before That My Favorite Brewery Spot Is No Longer under the Radar Been around for Three Years Is Incendiary Brewing. We Have Some Ads Have Been Running the Last Note Is Just Today That Would Been Running These Ads. Robert Just Today Would Been Running These by It's Right There in the Medical District of Winston-Salem Has a Wonderful Patio and Two Years Ago Is Really When I Started to like the Joint Siphon the Beer That They Have Really Good Sours. If You're into That Because There Is This Concert. I Love Live Music They Were Having a Concert. Robert on Labor Day Weekend. This Is Two Years Ago 2019 Was on a Sunday Friend Invited Me out.

Hey, Want to Go Hang out, Grab a Beer and a Sunday. We Didn't Have To Work on Labor Day Monday We Will Be on the Air This Monday and so I Went and Would Go to Incendiary People There All People Have Live Music. It's Really Good. I'm Standing There and I Hear That Song from the Mid to Thousands Kinda Cut from the Nickelback Cloth Robert Abandoned Called Fuel Only Remember Fuel, but They Had the Song Caulk in My Room, You Have a Couple of Songs Are Pretty Good and I Thought This Man Soon a Really Good Job Covering That Song and Then I Realized a Way That's Actually Fuel to Be Two Other Times in My Life. I Was Once a Greenville America on Walked into a Bar Airplane Colt 45 This Group, Which Is a Popular Song at College. Then I Realize That's Actually Afro Man in Raleigh. This Band Was Playing on a Street Corner Really Well Offer You My Sister Hazel and I Realized All That Sister Hazel so Saturday That Sunday Night I Actually Watched Fuel and Apparently This Week It Is Their Third Anniversary As a Brewery, and Guess What, They Have Another Concert It's for Free.

It's Tomorrow, They Have the Gin Blossoms, the Tent Goodness. I Love the Gin Blossoms and I Love Incendiary Some Really Excited to Go When We Had a Remote at Academy Sports of Stratford about a Month Ago We Had a Chance to Meet the Owner and He Was a Big Listener of the Ship so Were Really Excited for This. This Might Be the Place That I Hang out at for Clemson in Georgia Tomorrow. I Don't Know Quite How to Figure out That Dynamic Though between Watching the Concert Having a View of the Stage Versus Handed to Walk inside and Keep an Eye on Perhaps the Biggest Regular-Season College Football Game out There, but It's a Really Cool Deal If You Haven't Been to Incendiary. Tomorrow Is a Great Opportunity to Do so. I Was Dead Wrong about the Mountaineers Last Night and I'll Tell You Why I Think I Was off Here and What I Felt. The Biggest Difference in the Game Wise Next on the Drive Case Is Dry When Josh WSJ Asked Sports We Do Rhinestone Cowboy Friday Thought I Was Out Of the Van I Offered Mountaineer John Hundred Dollars. He Accepted Sabotage before We Take It to the House to Do Running for Cowboy Friday Mountain Bike Ln. in Greensboro.

What you have going to wear that uniform how you lay Robert in the mouth.

It went back to rebel record holder you know where that uniform makes Mountain bike Lane why I kiss you, I know singing like a rhinestone because not even the lyrics have degrees from when you get this to make him that was the rule. It was common kiss and when to stick. That's right. And I told him to look that way you look back this way out weekend for a lot of things for people. Whatever you do on weekends also think we can figure brewing that God answers this weekend gin blossoms at 6 o'clock tomorrow and drop some beer off her eyes and being a percent saying it is an imperial staff and it is 15% and all the guys the office have been trying it out and maybe think what is the highest percent alcohol and told to do a little research really has something called snake that is 67.5% certain they call it the champagne of peace.

So I alcohol it says this is not drinking like chugging. This is something that your Smith to sit and enjoy. I don't how you can enjoy it but it seems like something would have to buy it would be much more was to incendiary brewing Josh illness hours earlier. He got me a couple sours. I've been in love with her coat and outlined a habit of any honey blonde. Sigh.

I have checked the fridge back there. What is the highest percent you want to work again. You can go in there with the highest percent coming your way. You guys remember drinking. I think her past limitations say that I had a sense deceased like great uncle decade ago had some pretty sign that he was there that he may start a car like that to get to the flammable. That's what you will. People also just take it like I have any luck with the fruit and stuff the pineapple flavored apple pie flavored and be that bad. Kind of like poor logos. The old man it'll be The first two alcoholic beverages. I had to form a university in Carolina never anything but I do remember the watermelon jelly ran blossoms on Labor Day Monday