Tim Mahoney, Max McLean, and Patsy Oda

Versus where you hear from ordinary people instilled with an extraordinary fashion. Together, we explore the stories of men and women who take what they love and let God turn their passion into kingdom pursuits now live from the truth. Your host Robbie Gilmore now tell mining and all and I guess testing for Bobby today and actually I'm part of Robbie's show Christian car guy Peter which we started in 2015 with just Robbie and me, and now we have this most incredible talented team of actors which is a good lesson not to despise it a small beginnings, one step at a time, step-by-step.

He leads us and I feel like that's the theme of these interviews to date. Psalm 3723 says our steps are established by the Lord, and he delights in our way. I steps that I stopped and I have some wonderful yesterday for them to share their steps and their kingdom pursuits will be talking to the award-winning filmmaker Tim Mahoney and to the legendary and wonderful Pat Boone and marvelous brilliant actor Max McLean. Our first guest is Debbie Tim Mahoney and I saw his latest I'm telling you brilliant film and I loved it.

I just loved it. It said I saw the first one as well. Patterns of evidence, the Moses controversy and is the second of the trilogy and patterns of evidence series and then I just want to give a little background on Tim before we talk to him. He said at 10 Minnesota filmmaker with over 20 years of experience of the helm of the Mahoney media group production company producing award-winning television commercials, videos for regional and national companies, but as a natural storyteller with a passion for film.

Tim created the film production company faking man films, which is so apropos a moniker for that the this series at which I think is so truly apropos, because of the first two films in the patterns of evidence series years and years went into that of investigating archaeological truths for both these films and sometimes challenging traditional history. When you watch the films I I look at it like it's a grass it's a grand mysteries story that unfolds a clue at a time, and Tim Mahoney, welcome to kingdom. Besides I am there to Mahoney. Is he there. Rachel I guess were kinda waiting for to Mahoney with Rachel and I can talk to now, are you there Tim still not there unless I can hear you. Oh dear. Welcome to live radio what shall we do about this.

Rachel is good try something else. Rachel, a producer are very hard-working producer I might add, I could tell you a few more things about Tim while were waiting.

I might as well he has been married 35 years to his wife, Jill, and I know them both from an international Christian visual media Association and Tim is on the board for that we get any closer Rachel all right, but he's the thing that I found so incredibly fascinating with Tim's films patterns of evidence Moses the Moses controversy thing I found so fascinating.

Rachel says I can talk now to admire their oh gosh was what's going on were improvising here hello oh I'm so glad to hear that voice now that we wasted half of your interview, I would try to tell them as much as I possibly could.

I am so sorry Tim will work all the people think you're talking water are you talking well I have been raving about you know the Moses controversy that I did see and I saw the first one to patterns of Exodus and patterns of exit evidence the Exodus as well and that the fact that I really and truly I love mysteries. You know and like Agatha Christie, the good ones like that and I was so appreciative of how carefully you covered every detail and in your film and you laid it out meticulously and it fascinated me all the years you spent not because we lost a little bit of time here. Just tell me what first give you the edited do these films.

I know you went to a bit of a crisis of faith and I would just love the no the. The background that will bring a lot of our lives, pursuing regulatory reward were right were we going I think was important for me to quit work. I know your heart about what critical build and eventually I will work to make a documentary doing the stories of the Bible nor roll the most feared investigating this one topic story of the Israelites going through the common form so the personal question was phone looked comfortable 12 years. We found amazing evidence for the arrival of alder multiplication for you. The view of the judgment of the things and even documents. The Egyptians are writing about the story of the Bible and the conquest were told. Question was well next regular cart currently working on miracle of the rug directly. Miracles know or I could do that. I thought oh well. People just don't believe Moses wrote the book of the Bible so you can feel what it would be important. Yes, thanks.

Yes, really well and it is amazing because as I said, you just you laid the details out and that is in the thing that I realize that talking to those secular who were once Christians scholars you know it's talking to them and their doubts and their you know the absolute in a cynicism in a way in terms of anything having to do with validity of the Bible story and no wonder you had a crisis of faith really is a problem for a lot of people there's concern all when you start your children off to college and practice Moses controversy all the good questions we have about the world today. Go back to the Moses controversy because Moses was the one who told about the creation of the world's oldest evolution and creation of the world are we created by God or would you call of Mr. Bill and you will you know you know the whole question of virtual questions of all the very idea of all laws come from own the notebook become accrued question of liberty. The question of never know you think go back to the writing.

Both of you will grow some people think most of the Bible and in this and say this before you do that or when you do that if we get interrupted the station break.

I want you to come back if that's all right over the other side.

Your writing like now eating well II mean I will just say it was incredible. The film are absolutely they only up your faith and like and and I didn't think I needed them but I sure did.

Anyway, will come right back with kingdom ourselves. Stay tuned. Passion and uses it kingdom and I'm talking to the well-known and award-winning filmmaker Tim Mahoney talking about his marvelous series's patterns of evidence Moses controversy which I just saw the other day which was just blew me away. And the first of is the Exodus and Tim was just talking about you were just talking about the fact that you know that you you had, you realize that that so much was predicated on believing that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible right right all the big questions that were raised were right will in our culture. Go back to writing and one thing that some people will Bible what was in John chapter 5 verses 26 and 47 Jesus said if you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote of me, but if you do not believe his writing. How would you believe my words. That's right what I could fear is that the scholars in this investigation triggers. Part one is, could Moses have written the first books of the Bible. And there's criticism against the I think this on, but I found out that people who do not believe Moses was writing eventually don't believe in the Bible believe in Jesus become agnostic. Sorry, this film uncovers amazing evidence for the writing of the Bible. We track this down in a powerful way and not only that what looks like the world's first open shows up at the time when Joseph and his family are living and you know we were showing a connection between early writing system. Joseph and the swelling the earliest white gold with this amazing think of this alphabet then becomes the foundation of the founding alphabet of all the world right and it is Evan. It was fascinating to me that again. The attention to detail that you had in terms of you know I was talking at the beginning about step-by-step. He leads us. It isn't that just God's way and I want to hear the verse he would say to but I mean, isn't that just his way of he doesn't reveal the whole plan. He may give you know a prophetic word or something but it's like you have to go to the nitty-gritty, which you did in spades. You did an excellent job. I mean of you.

1200 I am reading 1200 hrs. of footage and 25,000 photographs and and and it's a magnificent film and it's and it's so compelling and it shows you it's like you're talking the scholars who are doubting in and said hunting is it that they were once Christians and and then you realize but I didn't even realize that he and I had II just took it for granted itinerary for granted. You know that that you know the you Gemini just I have such faith in the Bible you know that what you do is dig so deep and and you know the interviews that you had with these leading archaeologists in Egypt and Israel rabbis in an Israeli leaders like prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Shimon Peres and Anna Ito and then includes national radio host Michael Medved and actor Kevin Sorbo who narrates the film.

I mean, it is just like I could see. Did you know, as I said it was like a mystery. You could see the steps that you had to take and it shows Tim.

I mean I just I pray that it doesn't stop with the trilogy I not just basically it brings me to tears because it it it is so deeply faith building so the seaport please continue, because we have the whole rest of the segment with you know what will sure what you're talking about working on two more films currently by God's help, I'm going through our team is going to make new films of the Red Sea miracle in journey to Mount Sinai and weren't covering amazing patterns of evidence to support the firm Bible questioners why is that important. What we are saying is that we used to live in all the Christian culture known living in a post-Christian culture.

You know what our children, grandchildren their current fare well I don't know why I should believe it. People are starting the Bible is true and so what we are doing is helping to bridge that basically show the don't listen to everything that you hear what people look like in the Bible you need to listen larger story to show you these patterns of evidence, but actually match the stories in the Bible and we have a website called patterns about.com.

Hundreds of evidence.com, the people and all the learn about the Bible and archaeology were saying that young people, their lives are being changed when they are able to see these types of films and we have a young man who basically had grown up as Crystal became an agnostic end of the movie and his life was completely changed when he came back to us and their stories like that were getting from all over and were thankful for that kind of impact they have on people's lives at night so I just want to encourage people that there are there's reason for there is really good evidence and documentary films are very popular in this type of film or family members. You could cigar watch film like this. It doesn't preach right. It has different viewpoints but at the end of the day they're going to see a powerful Bible cloning story about the Bible. In fact we do powerful recreation to go to Jordan and Israel and Egypt in good actors and we completely fill the stories with Joseph and Moses and the Israelites in Joshua and also re-create them in a very good way yeah I can assist you now as I say when I when I watch the Moses controversy at what was that Scripture is the Scripture. Oh well, there's a couple of the Cedar rulers work.

The reason why writing is important. The big idea. This will this is so, part one think this is what you're looking for is the one God gave the ability for I believe that God I'm going to draw conclusion in this film but I think that the alphabet wasn't just an accident, but that the alphabet was a divine gift and why is it important to have a little because all the other previous lighting systems were extremely complicated juggler like 1012 hundred different characters within alphabet. No children could learn to read and write right. Like I said, this alphabet knows the basis this idea of the basis of all throughout the world. The connection here is the most use words that I command you today shall be on your heart.

You shall teach them diligently to your children you shall write them on your door post it on your house and on your gates right from the course of your house and on your gates. So is telling us that the Bible is supposed to be understood not just stories that were passed orally to people. That's the reason why there's some people say well, all storages grew exaggerated over time, and that's not what the Bible is telling us these words were given they were written down and there was a writing system. Much of this film is showing. There was a writing that existed in allows for these words to be passed on meticulously to the next generation.

And the reason we know of the Bible and the apostle Paul tells us in Romans three that God gave the very words of God to the Jewish people right in the word all the books of the Bible come from Jewish people divinely inspired, given, and because we have an alphabet and then Anderson included the Bible it says in John first chapter in the beginning was the word and the word was with God, yeah. And in order to have a word you have ever though that's a joke and you so beautifully showed. I mean I was so convinced and and I is that as the then please continue, but I mean as a show went on, I mean I was. I was so filled I felt like I be blown up like a balloon as you as the clues you made known the clues and and and you you yourself kind of in the film were convicted of a convinced but I I just totally believed. Yes, the history as you rearranged history you said this is you know I mean that that Moses did create this alphabet.

I totally believe that right. I agree so I think think it comes from Joseph, but Moses would've been a world that and it grew over time will waive a lot of things. The ships of the grew over time, and that's why there is debate over how these letters were form but were showing the history of the alphabet matches the history of the Israelites and that is what is powerful at this moment. Once again, patterns of evidence, films, and people are interested patterns of evidence.com you can go to learn more about all these products even have a children's series and lessors and in books and to encourage people we call us historical apologetics. Wow is a form of historical apologetics and we make jokes about Blossom was most of last week oh a week ago today was 900+ theaters across the nation so so little about an event that we have a panel discussion love discussion love the session saw that yeah no people can preorder their DVD or little doing all sorts of orders around the country and the people have this information with her family and watch it in. You know there's a cancer of unbelief called yet, the colon cancer, but now it is using away and you know what you need to have like absolutely at AA is coming again to the station break AW Tojo says faith is believing invisible, not the nonexistent and that's what you've done.

You brought made God very visible, Tim, God bless you and Jill and I was supposed to have had moon but for some reason I we we we were not able to get past but I have got this last but not least marvelous guest and a brilliant actor Max McLean and Max McLean is touring with the one one-man show that is truly brilliant and I'm not exasperated exaggerating it all.

I sought last year and I just loved it. It is called the most reluctant convert about CS Lewis and it is now playing in Charlotte North Carolina for three more performances Saturday matinee and evening and Sunday and Max McLean is the founder and artistic director of fellowship of performing arts FPA and I welcome you, Max McLean, thank you program I tell you I just want to tell you and the audience that when I saw that show last year. I'm not exaggerating. I have never been in an audience. Max was so totally mesmerized. No restless, no restlessness at all. I mean nothing. They were transfixed. I and you and I know we could get gushing sometimes.

But honestly, I was like steel and it was so anointed and and very courageous afterwards to come out and do question and answers with the audience. I just I just the whole experience was just so God imbued and tell me I'm just so curious to know. And if we have a little time a list of 15 or 20 minutes. Tell me I'm justified me well. I just kind of stumble a bit here but tell me, how did you start FPA because I II know that fellowship of performing the fellowship of performing arts for performing arts. How did you how did you start that was the impetus what what what was the thing and and even give some of your ear your own background in terms of coming to the Lord performing arts right for me its the convert was already. I had the gospel in our short and show we just wish to combine the two to combine my work by work that that is what prompted it. Spiritual fellowship of people believe our computer.

Wish you can capture the imagination and influence culture and so we try to do our work by creating the right kind of material that has the ability to speak to diverse objects, execute their budgets will allow so we can play the great country. Yes people to help us do it so so marvelous and I'm holding in my hand year winter 20019 Fellowship Cir. You know that you that you mailed everybody and people should could be interested in getting that as well. I'm looking here it says history in the making three productions, three cities. One night, I mean you have such a life. We got man for all seasons. I played Margaret and Manville's agent seasons. In 1968 at the Tokyo international theater thousand years ago love that show and CS Lewis in the Screwtape letters. My goodness. And then CS Lewis on stage most reluctant convert but I mean what what an amazing what an amazing way of stirring people's imaginations and getting them curious and and and you know I mean it is is is Newsweek names.

The Screwtape letters to its best of 2018 and then assess whether in the form of Screwtape, a devilishly clever character. CS Lewis created with Max McLean but train the Oxford Don himself is clear that audiences across the country and in New York, can't get enough of Lewis so I mean I really really urge anyone listening right now. You will thank me get a ticket. Ron do not walk to get than ticket for a show to this afternoon and tonight I and Shirley's winter. Why start shooting. Walk tomorrow. We are on initiation University in Kansas City of bears other places luxury real congressional social, political and sent step-by-step thing is in it. I mean, step-by-step. He leads us and I one of the things in this flyer the in of the brochure that you sent nearly 7000 people experience theater from a Christian worldview in four days.

I mean that that is an outreach. Did you know Roger Nelson, yes, he's with the Lord.

But I don't know if you knew that. But he that will yeah maybe I struggle Yeah yeah and well as you do get "you go on schedule. Definitely you you blog age so among you as a shock to me because I mean Roger and I were friends for the time I gave my life to the Lord and 1974 New York City and gave my life to Lord and hands. I got to meet Roger and you know watched him as he took off talk about step-by-step from a dream. His pastor had to do was mention of John Wesley and that turned and this is the same kind of things in it Max it's it's the heat and lead their and their other's eminence. They are so in my heart and and part of my life and so very talented. They love you.

They just think you're the greatest but it's it takes courage designate I'm I'm sort of in love with this latest in a W toes. Your quote faith is believing in the invisible, not in the nonexistent and I love that quote because it's it's like we serve an invisible magnificent God, but we've got to stir people's imaginations. We have to stir their hearts and what better way than usually, you know and and to who just a curiosity fear show CS Lewis show the most reluctant convert what that had to be an amazing collaborative effort to put all that together, the staging was brilliant. You were brilliant that the dialogue was fantastic.

It was so well directed to do so.

Did you do that are or who wrote that we should wait to start chores when you decide to use his own language story requires a conversion story of one time I did on the hog night and I think the way it really helps people start you close your quote. We have to believe that something is true we can believe in right and so we get an airplane because we believe the Stripling Mayor and therefore we believe in it and get back to get on it so hey brother hey could you give your website one more time so you will thank you, thank you so much Max on what I know is a busy day for taking time out and I pray God continues to bless you abundantly well with God.

Take your passion and uses it to further his kingdom. This is been the most is the live show – I am telling you it's like yes, the doubts, but now I have a wonderful unexpected guest and and she is actually waiting on the line but I'm going to give a little show first talk about step-by-step. He leads us and this is been one of those days on kingdom purposes of just kind of winging it in life and don't we all go through that. But I tell you something about my own step-by-step process and and I was an Air Force brat and there is a certain point where I lived in Japan a couple years and I really had a love for the Japanese and then I was in show business, and then my book. By the way, if you should like to look at it as www.hihifromthesky.net and the film that I'm working on, which is what were going to talk about real quickly is www.heartsdesire.com select-sky.net and hearts desire.com. This is just visited. Amazing day but hi, I can hear you in the background that Fiona but the hard sides.

Desire is a true Japanese-American love story set in 1971 America and it's based on the autobiographical book by Patsy Oda.

It's it is a delightful supernatural fairytale romance. It leads Patsy to the king of hearts, and his desire for her life and from the beginning.

This this story shows God's faithfulness to little Japanese-American child isolated isolated as a Christian, a Buddhist community and as Patsy grew up she yearns for a husband to share her faith, but it seems an impossible prayer. However, God works the impossible, for the improbable. What follows is a sad saga that is cut complicated humor is otherworldly and deliciously fulfilling the ultimate meeting of minds and hearts. Patsy learns that it pays to obey the invisible God, which we were just talking about with Max McLean that he's he's invisible but is not nonexistent.

He exists who not only gives her hearts desire.

He gives her husband to hearts desires a fairytale that's real illustrate it's out of this world to love to say that your story and welcomed Patsy out there. I told you didn't die.

I said by Patsy, just to its little guy and we have a few minutes left.

Anyway, how many minutes of your love we have as badly we talk about hearts desire. This is this must've been the Lord will are you doing well.

The thing is this film you and I have been working on this when I first read it when I was first given the book right into thousand one by a mutual friend and she said all is my favorite book. I said right output of the 15 others I have read by my bed and I so I have the book and I looked through it and I stop and I started reading it. It was a small little book and I could not put it down Patsy and it took you 10 years to write that book and since 2001. Don't give up on your dreams folks step-by-step. He leads us since 2001 he has. He has led us one step at a time as any.

Yeah, and you have now you have sole of and you sold a lot of given a lot of the books away your writing a ton of brochures and that's something we want to do you know that this latest one I love, which is God's eternal family reunion and so Patsy just tell us how how are you feeling in terms of the film you have are such a prayer warrior. You see that close calls we have in the and that near misses and and the ups and downs but you have never given up on. I've been a Christian without clear all year and I'm waiting for the goal. I got home I got pulled out of church and I didn't go to church for 17 years, along talking about your entire childhood know God is thankful when God called me to write this book.

I never wrote anything before looking when I loaded a month or so years later so you call you call from where were you living in Arizona at the time called a movie of your book with God beginning one big movie yeah I know you all and God. We talked and I told is the most amazing story. That's why I want to do the same time is I know you're out. Thank you sweetie I am so glad you hey you, I firing yesterday. Tim Mahoney, Max McLean and definitely thank you for joining us kingdom pursuit got a thank you passion and show you the steps you take to fill the dream gives you. God bless you and pray for Bobby by five Patsy