Medicine and Ministry - The New Program At CIU

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If you want find out more good hopefully caregiver.com. Hopefully caregiver.com. I many years ago the early 80s when I was very young man I attended clubby Bible college is now called Columbia International University and I was there for couple years before transferring up to Nashville to finish up my studies of music and I was the recipient thereof. Some of the finest teaching and learning about scripture in ways that that that I still hang onto for the brief time I was there for couple years and I will. I was getting the alumni magazine recently I saw in there that they have launched this new program to complete your BS in basilar science in nursing SEI you are training nurses and I was so moved by that that I called them up and I asked him kid.

Can we talk about this on because I think it's so important for us as believers to to embrace the original mandate that came for for believers to minister to the wounded Jesus himself sucking to bind up the wound and and and when he when we stand before him.

He's going to ask us five things when I was sick naked hungry and thirsty in prison is pretty serious about and and so the fact that this wonderful institution data, Columbia, South Carolina is doing this.

I felt like was worthy of our attention. I have been the recipient of interaction with many many many nurses over Gracie's journey. I can't even count the number and I've had some that were just extraordinary and and I had some that were less than so.

I remember one nurse. I was so I struggled with this in the middle the night Gracie was was having.

If you had a pretty serious back surgery. She couldn't really do much of anything and she was just mortified having the bedpans in the room and think, such as that. She just hated it and I was so frustrated on her behalf, and a member I would talk to this one nurse and she she still wore that this was the time of the still wore the starch hats of the lease.

This one that she was real old-school and she went out there and I and I kinda choked up and I said look in the is there anything we can do different.

And she looked at me and she said in a voice that was so husky he could pull a dogsled. She said oh for heaven sakes, it's perspective that I had little caught beside Gracie's bed and this is this is decades ago. She pointed a bony finger at me. She said you lay down right there and she took care of everything with Gracie and then as I was laying there would just be very quiet because she told would be still, and I was and then she leaned over and she held Gracie's hand and she prayed with Gracie.

This was at 230 in the morning.

She's praying with my wife and it was the it was one of the most beautiful moments I'd ever seen.

And so the thought of having a a a training program that nurse that will send nurses out there like this into hospice into crisis pregnancy centers into the mission field who are going to minister the love of Christ and and bring strong biblical understanding, while performing very very difficult things for family members of individuals and and and their families because this woman looked after me to it just it just moves me that that claim international universities doing this and so I invited geomagnetic backlighting on the show to come and talk. She's the head of this whole program and I invited her to come and just talk about this with Jill.

Welcome to the program that we are excited here at Columbia International University, where were actually developing few nursing programs on both are mentioned that the first one is that RN can be added and program work great nurses their deployment nurses to get their bachelors degree all online were really excited about that were also launching a four year traditional marketing program on our campus next fall. So were getting ready for that.

It there's just so much going on and were excited because here working to be teaching nursing as a calling and not just as a job at a calling and is a ministry to others exactly what you been talking about on our motto here is no him and him making nine and I can't think of another profession that in a position to do that nurses are in such a unique position to be that no we are excited to be given not here at the IU. I beautifully said because I agree with you about this is it is a calling. I have been in rooms where there was just it was it was so tense and it was so much pain and there was so much all kinds of stuff and I will take this deal before we get to for foreign to this.

I remember one time early on when Gracie was it was coming. After one of her surgeries and for those you don't know my why she said now that I can kill 81 surgeries and it's it's been quite a whole, and I was a young man I I don't think I was 27 years old and they overshot the medication. Evidently this is to two days after the surgery. Something happened and she ceased in the middle the night she'd asked me to go down the nurses station get her something to drink and she ceased in the middle the night and went.

If you've never watched a seizure.

It is, it is horrific experience. This audience is probably very familiar with those but it was my first time and I came in there in the room and in and it was just got off what I middle got the nurses and there were all working to keep her safe. Keep her from follow the bid she's throwing up its scream it. It was just awful. And afterwards when she kinda blacked out which lung tubs with seizures. That's the kind of it, reboot boots, you little bit and and she got him some good rest. At that point and the that I watch these nurses, though in the auto took a deep breath and Gracie thrown up everywhere and it was used it was a mess and they cleaned her up, clean the room up one of them even brushed her hair and they cleaned up the uniforms they were you used to this sort of thing that upset over there and I'm sit in the chairlift still got vomit on me and everything else in and I'm just Sit down at 330 in the morning now and one of them put their put her hand on my shoulder, so you okay and I did know how to respond because I wasn't okay but I mumbled yeah I guess so.

In but I wasn't okay but I didn't have the vocabulary that for this one a reason to do the show was to help give people the vocabulary of what what it's like to be a caregiver to express these things but I was struck by something Jill that these nurses number one the they didn't panic, they were trained for the job. Number two, then try to fix Gracie. They call the physician who showed up here sticking straight up that kind of thing that I knew this surgeon will and they didn't judge Gracie. They didn't think they just minister to her and they didn't worry about it getting on them. They were dressed for the job. I thought and that's it is Christians that's that's that's what work to do. We we don't judge we minister to them in their distress we call the great physician and if were where the righteousness of Christ. We don't have to worry about getting on us and that's the picture I have with nurses of what what it cemented in my brain and that is so when you mention the word calling that's what I think of you've had similar experiences in this in your career in your journey. What is what is one that stands out for you as a nurse that would mean something to this audience specifically meant that many of them that you're exactly right that calling. There's a different level of compassion that it takes to become a nurse.

One story that I always think about and I I work my backgrounds been married and I worked a lot of test areas by working in the afternoon, many years working that will hold that thought for just a second. I didn't realize I'd run up against the break and I apologize that I will make it right by you will run into a quick break.

You were talking with Jill McIlhenny. I'm sorry got that wrong Jill that claim international universities in their new school of nursing. There and I can't wait to hear some roles in is not a preacher. Hopefully carry with us to show Gracie from receiving resilient going to hope for the caregiver.calm and you can see how to do that. There we are talking with Jill McElhinney and she is from Columbia International University. I used to go there many years ago, including South Carolina and they have a new nursing program that were very excited about it. She was still a little bit of her background before didn't watch the clock properly and I'm sorry for that but she is very extensive background suggested he set up and I'm so sorry about that. I always felt called to work in the Areas of nursing, and I prayed to God to continue to break my heart for wet break just said that I don't become hardened her caring for patients that are sometimes hard to care for. I've worked in pediatric trauma as a nurse practitioner for about 20 years and Dan I'll work in half and care and that was an area of nursing that I really want and expect he was a student, which is why really. I want our students to see hospice and to keep them at the areas of care that I really think are forgotten about and I don't get as much exposure went after going through school about 10 years ago when I was a clinical manager and hem-one of my jobs like to find patient up for hot bed that you can imagine, I go knocking on doors and you know trying to convince patients that they need to go into hospice care on even if the doctor had ordered that a lot of times they were not happy to see me make my patients weren't and one. One day I knocked on a door and stern looking woman in the door and I introduced myself and told her I would dare to you. Help her hot. Her husband set up hospice care and she said I know my husband's doctor sent you here, but we don't like half that we don't need hospice. I don't know why you're here and I said okay and now I'm I really try to meet patients where they are in the journey, wherever that is. And I just said is there anything you do need and she said well we could use a hospital bed because it's getting harder for me to turn my husband and getting in and out of bed and I nodded, not that et al. have a hospital bed for a hospital bed delivered tomorrow.

Your house and she slammed the door not pay and I left and FedEx back come back to her house and I knocked on the door again, make sure that that it been delivered after packet Conan and show her some way to transfer her husband back in and out of the bed and she said okay. When I got back there. There is a very thin man very thick in the bad, and I stay just a little bit telling hand showing him enjoying his life how we can get them in and out of bed okay. And when I was leaving, she stopped me by the front door and he said EMI has been the Vietnam veteran and he was a colonel in the Air Force he won a lot of awards that's great I love it when they start telling their stories because then I can really find out where this is going.

She went on and she said he therapist the director of personnel for the military airlift command and a base commander, and she went on and told me all these different awards he done and how powerful he was and he said he's neck.

I tell you that that he was the pilot who played the American hostages that overran and January 1981. That said, he's always been very successful in Textron that now look at. He said thick help and I thought this is that this is a sad story, but that she wasn't done. He said we lost our 35-year-old daughter to cancer long again, and just 14 months after that her husband died of cancer that we have an 11-year-old grandson who has no parent and we've been in Mississippi helping can you caring for hand and helping our son and daughter-in-law adopt him, our other son that when we got back from Mississippi. I have been there several of his own doctors appointment and found out that he had stage IV cancer and she said when asked about treatment. The doctor told us that these were the worksheets that there is no hope and I didn't quite know what to say which is unusual because I usually have something to say. So I did the only thing I knew what to do and I asked her packet right with her and she agreed. Thankfully that I prayed with her and I laughed and I decided usually I would assign the patient out to another nurse but I said you know what I need to stay with the people because they finally let me in and have gotten through a little bit by the this neatly not patient there's too much going on how that I started visiting with the Col. I called and the Col. and we got to know each other pretty well and he was comfortable with me coming, he was in Alabama Crimson Tide fan, so I am again against the gamecock band here in South Carolina. I always wore gamecock shirt when I went to visit him that we could kind of joke around and ride and talk about the rivalry and it was the bath even though one way that instead of doing a neurological assessment on him. I started asking him the thought that that that both scores from the weekend before and that was how we get our mental status assessment and we started talking about heaven because he knew he was dying and he knew he didn't have a lot of time left and he said to me, his favorite verse is Romans 818.

I consider that in our present sufferings are not worth comparing to the glory that will be revealed in, and I learned he was a believer and he was actually a member of my church.

I did not know then I'd never seen them and we have a big church but it I should have known that he was a member that they had been out of church for so long because they been in the 50 helping with the death of his daughter and the death of his son-in-law and he became so he'd been out of church a while and I was able to contact our pastor with his permission and get our hospice chaplain in their wealth to decent spiritual and they slowly began to work through some of this great and cemented sorry that they had because they really didn't have any hope when I walked in that door that the biggest part of the story that love is like to share with my students is I didn't do a lot of nursing care and skill really didn't matter because I had the opportunity to get link about how and get in there and meet them where they were here. The story here what was going on, we were able to reconnect and back to their church family help them through some of this grief, emotional pain, never having an off day to spiritually do a spiritual assessment spiritually reconnecting with their church. So it was a great story. He ended up dying.

He passed away peacefully. His wife was there. He was buried at Arlington national Erie and they invited me to come to the to the funeral at Arlington national seminary Cemetery and I all I could think about was on the nurse that they slammed the door door in my face and they did need hospice they didn't need a nurse and just because I was able to kind listen to them and meet them where they were and did as assessment and national assessment, virtual assessment, the physical assessment. There was a lot I could do with it but that's what I want to nurse. This is not just skill. Skill skills were not going to be teaching only skills we are going to teach the same skills in the be testing on that just like any other nursing school in the country that our nurses are going to learn that physical and that spiritual and emotional assessment that we need to do to take holistic care of the patient and asking to be the different telling them how they can show the light of Christ. No matter what, where they are, where they're working what they're doing and to me that's mentioned whether it internationally or this is someone in my church that needed mission needed someone to meet them where they were and someone to care for them story that I like to share. That is a great story and that you know this. The Gospels of how many times we slammed the door in the face of Christ, you know, we just the music world just lost a great musician and hymn writer Ralph Carmichael recently and he wrote of him called the Savior is waiting for you ever heard that him about the Savior was waiting to enter her heart.

Why don't you let him come in it and the Udo. It's is that picture of Jesus coming to the door and yet we have slammed the door the face of Christ, way too many times in our lives. I know I have in here you are modeling that beautifully in this is what I believe will be the the fruit that comes out of what you're doing to other Jill to have nurses that are willing to take a slammed door. The faced in order to be able to love and care for people that did recognize that the trauma that is going on. If you if you disallow the external bristle if that's a word bristling to to to rebuff you you to miss the opportunity for ministry that is unparalleled to you, but what you've done things overseas with Samaritans purse and some other places as well, correct. That's right, and auntie international medical disaster came first American first for about 11 years now and week I went to natural disasters, epidemic, it's really wanted a situation where when I call you. You gotta be ready to gather. You gotta feel like you're in again. That's another situation where he got beat called into that and I never imagined in a million years. I would be the one to get out and do disaster care, but that somewhere that I was called into even it been a passion of mine broken people. It lost everything that they're ready to hear the gospel and they need to hear it. They that again like being told you have no hope. There is no hope for you. That's something that we can shed and there is hope, there is happened in the salvation of Jesus Christ and as nurses we are the best where the wind cured their window broken. We got to force this on then. I've had patients ever see you asked me why do you come all the way over here to do this.

I'm sure you have a better job in the United well because this time serving as the hands and feet of my God and of Jesus Christ and they are asking why you do what you and you have the opportunity to share that and I think that many patients come to Christ that way and it's such a blessing, but it is a calling and not that's one thing that I want impresses that your hearing all about the nursing shortage and how much nurses can get paid. Right now, and in that's really important that you're not called this type work just like the story you shared about the nurses who had vomited on them and they were calm under pressure that that's the only way they really were. Jill was astonishing, the way they handled that in strut and not only that, but they turned to look around. Udo looked at me and they were some of the first people as a caregiver for that. I'm always grateful emotional about it because caregivers are not seen. You are modeling exactly what I just love what you're doing talks more. This is Jill ventilating and she is from club international University. This is over.

The caregiver will be right back as a family caregiver and we are so glad that you with this. Hopefully caregiver.com were talking and she is from Columbia International University. Jill, the river that some other way from the imperials. Yes, I've heard that before this also favors us roasted of the imperials and that is just one bolt of a resource unforgiven now have a reason for Jesus keeps giving given and one of things I want to do on this show is worked hard to do this is to show people caregivers if you try to do this on your own you go to run out of steam. But if you will allow the inexhaustible love of God through Christ to come through you, and let him do it through you, as opposed to you, tried to just grip this thing as hard as you can and wrestled to the ground. The fund that you can do this with it a calm or healthier, and dare I say it even more joyful way, even while tears fill your it doesn't rob you of the joy in the beauty of seeing God move. This is what Jill talked about in the last block that being able to to see the. The pain of this family and yet the beauty of the redemptive work of God moving in this Jill.

One of things I asked you before we came on. The program was know what kind of tented are you looking for what is was the school wanting to who the who the try to connect with him and what that person would look like that would come to your farm because a lot of this can be done almost all of this can be done on what I think for the first program. The second program I think you have to actually be in the school at me. That location was but but the. The first program is like 100% online is that would understand that RN program were looking for nurses who are working at nurses who have completed and I think it degree program or possibly a diploma nursing program and are working to get that bachelor's degree we can do it all online and then they'll be doing missions affected clinical Stain project in their own community.

It can be anything from a COBIT vaccine clinic or helping to do a quality improvement project and a crisis pregnancy center something like that will talk about it altering the program the back and help in identifying areas that they may want to serve and completed come Capt. project there but otherwise it's all online. It came on and were really excited to also show some nursing leadership and that bachelor's degree online and there is the first course in the course that I teach is called nursing for vulnerable population that work. I taught him all about different kinds of populations that might be forgotten or that a little more difficult to care for drug addicted population were going to talk about prison ministry and how we can help care for homeless shelters and migrant worker clinics places note may not be very popular to work and the areas that we can make a big difference and share with the audience is. If you as a caregiver have been blessed by a nurse that has come alongside you and your family, your loved one during some difficult times in you feel like this may be something they may be interested in.

Would you consider telling them about it and possibly even helping them with a scholarship to do this it is it's it's a great way to say thank you to those who been alongside you during these processes that you've dealt with as is a caregiver through lonely stretches and sometimes the only person that gave you a kind word was this particular nurse so I would ask that you please let them know about this, they may want to get the BS and they could do it from a distance in the and then if you want even designate scholarship for you know and and there's ways that you can do this as a way of saying thank you, or if your pastor or so for the most of it in your churches like this, please let them know this. This is an extraordinary opportunity.

Tell us about your mentioned to me about a candidate that you want to tell story about that you guess that's came into the state of the system there and I would love to hear the right at what all nursing schools have admission requirements, and they usually request at grade point average or an SATA think he can score something like that and we do that as well. But I also like to interview every single student before he or she comes to the program. One of the questions I asked if tell me why you chose the nursing because I really feel like this different set of skills and compassion and stamina.

All that I want to know why they chose it says that I know this is going to carry them through their careers. I tell students all the time right down your why on a note card and look at that land. You're in school and it's tough. Or when you come in nurse look back at your why and you especially can't, like right now during a pandemic you're working overtime. Mandatory overtime look back at your why why are you doing this what what brought you to nursing and that tells me much about the other question I lack I like to ask is what you done to prepare for nursing school and one of the students that I had in the past. Her name is Kia and she had special needs twins that required her full-time care and to she had become a certified nursing at the tent to care for them and that with her why she's like I want to get back to you be able to care for other patients. I'm good at this.

I'm called that this is my calling that she had been taking prerequisites for about six years, one at a time while she's taking care of her special needs twins at home and she told me when I asked her in her interview. What he done to prepare for nursing school. She said I saved enough money for my husband to stay home with the twin for two years that he does not work and I don't work and I can focus on the nursing program for the next two years because she was coming in as a junior, and she said so and have made my mother-in-law and with me. We saved the money we've done all these things. This is my calling. This is all I want to do in the world and that girl. I don't care what your GPA is you are going well because this is what you're called to do so. She graduated this past May and past BN clack that national licensure exam with flying colors and her GPA may not of been the top when I had that. That's why interview students because if you're called to do it you're going to raid and it and she came back and visit me this summer after she graduated. It was such a blessing to see that that that is the way we need to choose our candidate because you know I've had 4.0 student with the perfect GPA can then and there just not sure about it. They're not called to it and not do well in the program because they're not gonna have that passion and then to work as a nurse. This is gotta be what you want to do and what you're called to, and I do believe that the calling by God because just as we describe the story. It's not an easy job that no it's not in your around family and patients with so much tension at times and it's you go to read the room very quickly.

You've got to give it you. You've got theirs there so many different things going on at one time and you know that so that's best one for a shudder to think about my GP over this will graduate. Thank you Lodi.

So how come so lousy but but I II recognize this with the passion because of seeing those in. I also remember a lot of guys that took care of Gracie during times of former medics in the Marine Corps.

Those particular ones of thinking of big strong fellows and they were so great with her because when they had lifters it. It was hard because when she didn't have her legs and all the things were going on in but they were so tender with you can just tell that this was in their DNA in and so I think you you know people like that as well that that have the opportunity to continue their education and get this bachelors degree, who have this vast amount of field experience and want to put that in there is a going to do areas bump up against the breaker to minute, but let's start the conversation about hospice because we've dealt with this with a family member recently in you know you want people are nervous about this think they feel like oh this is just go to help them just die. But that's not what hospice is all about.

There lots of different kinds of hospice care and and yet I've also know that when folks come in, we for different people come in who are very sincere about it but the they're Buddhist and there's this or that or whatever and what a treat. It would be to have strong biblically trained believers who were very good nurses come into those situations. What what better way to minister to people's lives that at their most vulnerable right at the right at these very difficult tough sickness and even approaching death.

Talk little bit about your program. If we hit the break will just continued on to the next block. Well I greatly hot and there a lot there so many med contraptions about hot care and that were to help them die that it there at the end of the raid that really hospice is much more than that. Nursing skills.

There are obviously necessary spiritual care is so important.

One of the most important members at the half that came in. It is a team. It is a team of a nurse and a social worker and a chaplain. This spiritual care. There is so important, I think many patient who really were struggling spiritually and stayed alive longer and suffered a lot longer because they were struggling spiritually and envy Christian hospice nurse and this is what I want to.

I'm hoping to get our students to understand is if you can identify and do that spiritual assessment on that patient. You can say okay I'm done all I can do physically. I'm been a call in the chaplain to come do a visit with this patient and I've seen it so many times where I've been on sitting there looking in my direction on using all of my medical knowledge and I'm thank there's no reason this person is still alive and there's no reason that pain can't be relieved with this and there's no reason you know that this should be happening and I call the chaplain and in the chaplain is able to help this patient by whether it being a life review or to tackle something spiritually that there struggling with or answer some of the questions that they're wondering about am I going to happen is this way you know how I am I going to be punished for things that have happened in my life and beat you know a relationship with the family member that the strange all of these things are so important in the dying process and the other thing I want my pay my students to understand as that God created the dying process and I seen that so many different times out there all the movements for euthanasia and suffering, God created this suffering that we have at the end of life for those moments where they spiritual reconciliation and I've seen it so many different times will he does he uses uses broken things of this world uses suffering uses systems seamlessly in order to weave reduction into these things and points to his glory, you have seen of CS Lewis's suffering is God's megaphone and and it gets our attention. That's when I recognize that this world just broke you know he would one day we won't have. There will be a new heaven and new earth and all of us. We go on. Does this in their is the privilege we have as believers to minister along the way to mourn with those born to comfort those with the same comfort we ourselves receive be right, but they dispute Roseburg if you like this podcast. If you find value in what were doing. Please go to hope for the caregiver.com/giving and help us to more help us get this word out on more radio stations. There's nothing like what were doing and there are so many. Verse 65 million.

The numbers keep growing. Who were they go to listen to who's going to reach supposed to speak in a way that they understand that's what this program is all about. Can you help us do more hope for the caregiver.com/giving thanks so much hope rested through broken body, but not a broken spirit. We are talking with Jill McElhinney and she is from Columbia International University. Their new program for nurses and training nurses to go out and be emissaries of the gospel well ministering physically and spiritually is a great work that they're doing. We talked about hospice which is a very difficult subject for a lot of folks there's another area that CRU is wanting to also address that is in crisis pregnancies and what happens in these places where young women, girls are terrified there just there truly terrified and there there contemplating horrific decisions.

Because of that fear because of shame because of guilt because of whatever and who do you want to intersect with these young ladies, but biblically trained medical personnel who can bring the light of Christ into what to them. Looks like such a dark place, so we'll talk little bit about that in the the things that you're excited about it where you see the great opportunities okay yeah we have a partnership with a crisis pregnancy here in Columbia but we also are encouraging our online student connect with the organizations in their own community so that they can be exposed.

I really feel like a lot of nursing programs up taught in many programs over the last 20 years and that the focus is always on the inpatient ICUs the critical care area is the acute care areas and those are all important in our students will all be going today as well, but were also going to expose our students and take them into the community health areas like crisis pregnancy centers that we can minister today's patients there and to really show our students that we are in the best position to do that as nurses and working with with vulnerable patients in that population. The other thing is I in the acute care setting in the hospital and emergency department encounters you encountered the same patient that would be going to the crisis pregnancy centers and after working in the emergency department for so many years had lots of teenage girls and young mothers become man and very confused or finding out that they are pregnant and emergency department and an opportunity to minister to them. There may not even be in days crisis pregnancy centers but also referring them today centers and knowing where they are. Knowing what they do knowing what they're about making sure they were for them to the right crisis pregnancy center because you know the one here in Columbia is strategically placed across from a Planned Parenthood clinic and just making sure that you know how to refer the patient and know how to guide them and direct them, but also just to be a hand holder and to show them love and no judgment and shut and show them the light of Christ by telling that God loves them and that there are alternative to wet their what they are thinking that the only alternative is will one of the challenges I've found as you journey through these medical crises that so many of us as caregivers do is that we are hearing so much about death were hearing so much about suffering with him so much about pain and loss and sorrow, but were not hearing words of life. There's an old heel that love of plated on the show before because it usually every week I'll do a him every week to drive home a point some people can have it, hang on to a thought you were one of his of a beautiful, wonderful words of life. You know that old hymn, yet that and I want people to learn beautiful words, wonderful words, wonderful words of life and if if no one is speaking to life in the situations. Once the person going to do it. And there's a great site if you see the chosen, by the way that I owe.

Do yourself a favor the use of a very bad thing though where there's there's a man and and those of you suitable know this and he has a broken leg from a fall from a horse and the character playing Jesus do such an amazing job in their sit around fire and much talking, and he says I come from a kingdom where there is no more suffering. There's no more injuries.

There's no more into the six he said, but in this world phone still break hearts still break and this is what he came to do is to redeem all this.

If were not speaking this life and people think his country will of God is a great body allow it and my question is why are we hearing more of these people speak in life intuitive, as opposed to just wanted to argue with why God did this by get this and they're missing the whole point of the cross. They're missing the whole point of the redemptive story and the whole point of what is being done in us as we minister to others is also the less blood comfort one another with the same comfort we ourselves have received Margaret Mead, the anthropologist she wants said that the first son of lease of a civilization is compassion.

And you know what she backed it up on when she discovered the healed femur, which is the longest boat of the body. The wife just broke her femur last month and she's recovering from it and it's a long process is a 6 to 8 week process and somebody's got to care for that person, someone's gotta feed them something's got to do their work whatever and that she saw compassion is when you when you see somebody with the healed femur. They were the recipient of compassion and a love that story I just I think that is just an amazing thing. The so descriptive of what you all are doing here is that you're marrying the science of healing with the passion of Christ to minister to the wounded and the broken heart and and in the last couple minutes here got if somebody is interested in this. They want to pursue this or share this with someone.

What is the best way for them to find out about what you gotta do it the best way would be if you have a nurse who is interested in coming back to get the idea that a bachelors of science in nursing degree best way is to go to our website. Yeah, you.edu\apply and they can apply right here. Click on that link and we can answer any of the questions that thing is we get that contact. Bear it with the IU.edu/apply and then be if you mentioned that if you have a caregiver you with interested and going back and maybe you wanted to support them and he wanted to get them scholarship the best way to do that would be to go to the IU.edu/give nursing and we we are accepting scholarships or accepting any kind of support we can because again you where private Christian institution and we've been blessed to have so much support, but we need more to get this off the ground and were so excited for it to be able to speak to your caregivers because this is exactly what I want our students to know and the population that our students need to be caring for so where were very excited that you got to be here today… This is my pleasure to school I was a student there must father-in-law was a student there and I know these people know the passion they have for the word of God and for ministry and I cannot stress to you if you feel called to this and you have you you think okay I will learn more about this, please do not let anything stop you where he leads.

He feeds where he guides, he provides there will be resources there for you to do this will work with you there about equipping people to go out as this is the whole mission of club international University. It is right there. The chapel shortest chapel in all the campus. There's there's a glow there's 22 sides of the globe and right there. It says to know him and to make him known. But what I was a student there had with the co-college service. I had to you know you do different types of task around the campus to help offset bills in your your tuition and so forth so wielded co-service. What about was to clean the chapel and sleep but I did it every think of that is every Friday and I had to go there and sweep and organize the chapel and so forth so spent a lot of time in the chapel and I looked at that son every time back and forth those files. Those were those tears were to know him and to make him known. And what better way than to equip nurses to go into these places were people are hurting, whether suffering with her scared where they'll even slam the door in your face as Jill shared with us earlier, but if we are prepared for wearing the right garment which is the righteousness of Christ. This we can walk into eating those things with confidence knowing that he is he who began a good work is faithful to complete it to the day of Christ Jesus and wouldn't you love to be a part of. Whether it's sponsoring a nurse whether it's sharing this podcast with someone else or or telling somebody else about it on the radio. Whatever you can do to an end.

Also commit to praying for commit to pray for. We've got plenty of people out there that are talking about death. We got plenty of people have there that are wanting to in life there that if if it's inconvenient let's get rid of. Whether it's a child in the womb or whether it's somebody who's chronically ill and this is the culture that we are trying to go into an minister.

The light of Christ in the darkness does not comprehend but we can we can in that light can come right through us through the redemptive work of Christ, you could be a part of that see you.ED you is the site for the staff of the universe. Go out there and you can go to the nursing and giving all kinds of things you can do. Jill, thank you so much for being a part of the state. We really appreciate it. We want you to come back here. I left me here. All right, this is the show for family caregivers and healthy caregivers make better caregivers.

Okay, hope for the caregiver.com see some of you know the remarkable story of Peter's wife Gracie and recently Peter talk to Gracie about all the wonderful things that emerge from her difficult journey.

Take a listen Gracie. When you envision doing a prosthetic limb outreach. Did you ever think the inmates would help you do not in a million years. When you go to the facility run by course of a new see the faces of these inmates that are working on prosthetic limbs that you help click from all of the country that you put out the plea for and their disassembly sell these legs like what you have your own prosody and arms and orange everything when you seal this makes me cry because I see the smiles on their faces and I know I know what it is like someplace where you can't get out without somebody else allowing you to get out the hospital. These men are so glad that they get to be doing is one thing said something good with my did you know before you became a PT that parts of prosthetic limbs could be recycled. I had no idea how to peg leg. I thought a wooden legs.

I never thought of titanium and carbon legs and flexibly the legs and all that. I never thought about. As you watch these inmates participate in something like this, knowing that there helping other people all providing the means for the supplies to get over there. What is it do to you. Just on the heart level. I wish I could explain to the world. What I see in here and I wish that I could able to go and say the this guy right here in East Africa with that. I never not feel that way out every time you know you always make me believe. I don't want to leave. I feel like I'm at home with them and I feel like that we have a common bond that would've never expected that only God could put together know that you could experience with what you think of the faith-based programs and courses. The gophers I think they're just absolutely awesome and I think every prisoner out there should have faith-based programs because the return rate of the men that are involved in this particular faith-based program and other ones like it, but I know about this one are is amazingly great care is and I think that says that is with me just has something to do with God.

Somebody help people donating use prosthetic live with a loved one who passed away or somebody well-groomed you donated some of your own, please go to standing with.com/recycle.

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