David Winters and Bob Uber

Kingdom pursuits where you hear from ordinary people instilled with an extraordinary passion together we explore the stories of men and women who take what they love and let God turn their passion into the kingdom pursuits now live from the truth. Your host Robbie Gilmore and is a labor day week is that and we are not sort of a Labor Day weekend shell lined up for you, so that might have something to do with work, but it might also have something to do with her good friend Bob Hoover which has nothing to do with running cars. By the way, or now I understand there in the drones to Bob on this. But anyway Bob has a big event coming up with the hero center you're invited to the fifth annual 9/11 remembrance concert at the hero center 1500 Bridges pointe in High Point 715 on 9/11 and so Bob, it's really cool and this is this is not just a veterans thing for you little different. I welling it is. I just think we as a nation do not want to forget that it is 9/11 and so it is remembered today. It is also national service today and it's also patriot day is kind of a call across the nation and we to the day and it's a fire your flag at half half-mast day and so we just want to be a catalyst for that.

Every year in America would remember and honor that and so are concert will reflect that remembrance day going next up we have Michael Austin is with us and this is kind of a meet topic we've had micron here many times he's with Christian history magazine, but you know we have their time. Think of the name of the work that the word there magazine just came out, it comes out quarterly right Christian magazine, but this quarter its medieval lay mystics and so that lay means a kind of worker people right. We common folk that you go so you know that these were the middle medieval laypeople that would've enjoyed a Labor Day don't think Michael will absolutely all about but I'm so I'm so excited about your former guest because I was in New York City on 9/11 were you wow you have a story to tell, yes you do.

Yes, you do absolutely ask for Lily and I'm far more prepared to do that, then let's talk about this particular issue because frankly I have not gotten my copy of that issue. I am excited about the idea of medieval lay mystics because I think in some of the medieval mystics. I some names come to mind. I don't often laypeople necessarily but there are some amazing people in history that were that were mystics in the medieval times, so that's a topic we can sort and take up in, and those people as well, but next up we have a David winners apparently were struggling to get them on the phone but were to get him and he is authored a book called taking God's work and so you know it was the perfect topic right for Labor Day taking God to work and so here as soon as our produce should get him back on the line were going to be taking God the work that Michael just the overall topic of middleweight medieval lay mystics what is a mystic, from your point of view outside the mainstream Orthodox wedding and a for sure someone who is having a direct relationship with God and has participated in that or their experience is is typically a one-on-one relationship now. I would say that practically all of the of the subjects in the magazine that typically cover individuals who are, we might, when I think of them as heroes of the faith, or major those who have begun major events or have caused a major and are mascot, so I was still trying to get David on the line and we lost Mike Lindeman in midsentence for working to get mama gently and so as sometimes happens in writing about its live radio you got deal with what happens when we are back to the hero center in the event coming up on 9/11. While we try to get our David winners back in the line soon tells about the people he got coming in on this concert. Well yes again and it's open to the public. It is a free concert there. There is a moment of silence on that day and that's like, at 846 when the first plane actually hit the tower there is a moment of silence as we know there was a mad scramble bows to the towers and away from the towers and so those that we honor on 911 we will have at that event are first responders are, please tease our fire chief, EMS military, because those are the ones that we need to honor but it's also call for all of us to remember the patriotism the fireflies and so this event will have a special speaker are Sheriff BJ Barnes. He will be doing those comments and remarks that allow us to remember. So we never forget is the sheriff in High Point well fortunately for us, we got David winners on the line and David, I'm so sorry we've struggling to get your line straightened up, but it's good to have Jan you are the author of taking God to work said that's correct. I'm very excited to be with you today and appreciate the chance to tell you about. I think very interesting and exciting folks that are indeed taking God to work now and let me talk because a lot of folks don't necessarily take I go to church on Sunday, but don't realize that wow there's a lot of different ways you can take God work in her correct and I have to say that I was guilty as charged for many years. I yet, at the idea that maybe someday if everyone looked at my life, then you know in general. Just thought I would a good guy. Somehow they would ask me about salvation and I would take him down the Roman road and that would kind of the extent of my using my faith at work and eventually I realized that that was kind of a shallow view and not really God you work and that though I had the major changes in my own life and that led to eventually me talk it over with my pastor and we decided to write this book that is really getting back to Scripture about what God intended work to be if intended to be our care for other people through what we do the letters you work at a fast food restaurant or in the ivory tower giant corporation.

Your job is to care for other people both your customers, your coworkers and even your boss going as those of you who missed me for the last two weeks, you realize that speaking of work, no David, you may not be aware of this is this is where I tell my jokes okay so here we go. Speaking of work this Labor Day weekend, write the workers at the lumber mill went on strike to know about putting plywood production into suspended lamination limited that's plywood for you and I hang out as you thought about this but the hangman works under deadline. Wow that's tough hangman works under deadline and you know divers work under pressure really answers and I got a job working in a field after one day I bailed and this work does working for UPS make you a professional boxer you thought about that so we have got more of these wonderful times and I know you've missed for two weeks you miss me Bob, we got more those we got more from David winners taking God to work will get Michael Austin back from Christian history magazine in the middle. He will lay mystics and so much more pursuits coming up where we hear how God takes the kingdom.

Today we have Bob over with the hero center in High Point. Their annual 9/11 remembrance conference comp concert concert going on at 715 and we have David winners taking God to work so speaking of work, as I was speaking of work a minute ago I had finished all day so you got here a few more Bob I ready working with compost is degrading as you thought about that but it just is ranking to find out is degrading yeah, and the original workers life here comes actual little you knew this would happen at the end of this year comes a chance for you to win calling it 866-34-TRUTH 87884 the original workers life in the Bible was quite a plot from a garden perspective docs think the originals worker life in the Bible is quite a plot but due to his betrayal. The curse made work. No bed of roses very.

I can see your really humored by that like a quick scan through a magazine he try to leaf through it, though, is this original worker in the Bible, 8663 for 87884 is a number to call and win 866-34-TRUTH. The original worker in the Bible and that they can tell us that Jasper tell mother when the money book from the kingdom received by talk there you go, and we have lots of books to choose from. So we will be sending out some all you do is call 866-34-TRUTH eight and 7884 and tell us the original workers life in the Bible was quite a plot but due to his betrayal occurs made work. No bed of roses like a quick scan through a magazine he tried to leaf his way through it. Who was that 866-34-TRUTH 87884 David and I don't give away the answer because I bet you know that but you know God's God loves work. It's all at the you know it's a great joy to be able to do that kind of thing. And if you could take him along for the adventure.

It's all that much better and it exactly and I think something that Christians often forget work was created for the fall but was something God intended for the very beginning and R block is really for people who have lost that passion lost that drive law that motivation for their work, they don't really go to work feeling excited feeling that wound up about what they can possibly accomplish that day. There work on autopilot for this planet by Board may be or just feeling like there's something better out there for that. They're not really following their passion and basically the book is divided into 13 chapters 13 story different real life people from my hair salon owner to professional pilot to stay at home mom that are working and they are in view thing.

They are work with their love for God for their faith and for their passion for for him and think in each of the chapters we go into the area aspects of work we begin with just telling you the history of work from a biblical perspective, but then we going to tough things like temptation, but work we actually get a hold of the people in our church and found out what their biggest temptation to work and then we work through them one by one with Bible answers to the temptation people based on their job and Bob and I during the break. He immediately jumped out the passage along these lines, it spoke to his heart in your book title and Bob share that with her listeners. All my life.

First, one of them is in Romans 1315 it says rejoice with those who do rejoice in us as weep with those who weep which I translate care for those who hurt who hurt so many conversation casually at the breakroom person is either happy or he's not if he's happy then you make is joyful. We rejoice with him and be more excited. But if he is hurting. I think care is simply a hug for the sole. You speak into the pain, and come alongside them and empathize. You don't fix him just care for them and there's many opportunities in the workplace to speak into that joy make them happier or speak into that pain.

Let them know God's care the skimmer hug of the soul, and I think that I have enactment, gives them a reason to talk to you about the joy that you have and you but along those lines you get that with right these first responders that as you yes yes that many of them feel the pain of day-to-day rigor of being on the front line near the it's an all different world out there now retired and we had to face the fear abroad. But now the people of first responders are just don't want to put on the uniform.

The wife doesn't want to go to work. They recognize it every day is a is a threat day and so this is a whole different mindset sucks remembered stays today to thank her first responders indicated they will be out there at the concert this time next Tuesday 911 at 715 so we can have a chance to honor them as I listen to when and where that isn't in High Point is at zero center and what sentence the address of the hero center is also known as heat John Wesley campground is 1500 British Dr., which is near old call mall) and down downtown High Point locker room plus a partnering airliner in North Carolina that is correct. It is also called to service its National Service take as everyone rallied around to help and serve on that day so look for opportunities and that we have such an opportunity. Saturday the eighth is cleanup day at the hero center so we can have our event in a nice-looking camp they can come out and see what we're doing at the hero center for veterans are renovation programs took amount help us clean up and to shape up. And that can be part of the National Service response is all called to serve one another and David, I'm curious. I often fact I know most everybody's life. If you look into their story that verse second Corinthians right the beginning of the book it says you may the God of all comfort, confidence with the company convalesce within you said that you were that one of those that weren't bringing God to work, but he showed you a way to do that which actually is a comfort and so I'm really interested in that story. Wow, did God get your attention to to bring God to work well my first article of the mind, the journey from anxiety to peace and basically IEM my career within government and eventually you need to work varies. About their career end up in Washington so I was in the rat race director or division director for Homeland security little bit of high tension in the air there and we were trying very hard to accomplish a lot of important programs with not enough people at that point in the history of public I started getting panic attacks but I didn't know what was causing them. I went to the hospital couple times that they you know, we know that the feel good but you're not having a heart attack you're not dying, but eventually I came to the plate with God right but God. I can't go on the way I'm doing because I do I can't get relief from that. I know you love me. I know you care for me but I'm just not that I need help. So I stopped. I quit my career I took a five month sabbatical, and in that time I really got in touch with God. The book sabbatical. The mind is really about all the steps I took to connect hear from God to do what he was telling me to do one of the good doctor and have a physical and when I did I found out the diabetes medicine. I was on active with really making my anxiety exaggerated it with the driving me kinder to the panic attack stage as they change that I got a whole lot better if I had not stopped work. I'm not sure I would've taken time to go to the doctor but I spent a lot of morning in my sunroom staring at the cloud, contemplating Scripture praying and God kind of showed me through reading 20 books through all kinds of counseling with this friend of mine and and ministers, but I knew bit you know I didn't have anything to fear, and a lot of the workplace is governed by fear and greed influence Christian we have to rebuke those.

But it had a running around wherever you work, and we have to be the one that during P bring love and in look for the eternal reward of what it is were doing, not just the momentary profit and I don't think got a profit. I think we all need money to live and there's a lot of that in the book about how you can advance in your career but you also need to keep in mind the ultimate goal which is to be like Christ and if I could just read one verse first on 47. Let us love one another for what God and everyone love God and knows God. When I went back to work after my sabbatical, I worked the last five years of my career before retired, became an author, I realized that my goal is a manager with the one of my employee that affected I think everybody listening and I've had a chance to meet David at the National religious broadcasters convention. If you're the joy down and there you know that that is that there was a place of anxiety. Obviously, in God's put that into a neat place where you can actually speak to them well in support of that is so much rich in Scripture in Genesis had the God created Earth, but there is no one to work it serrated to beginning to use his partnership with God. Then he created all the animals with many asked Adam to name them again demonstrating the problem partnership with God, and then he created Adam and told Adam concrete can partnership with God is a lifelong calling into work is a partnership with God for me to see that reporting with God to bring him into the workplace that's that's really great, great title for a book, taking God to work. David Winters, Bob Huber coming up a lot more on his event a lot more from Bob. We come back.

You mentioned you got to come up and answer the back to team member suits where we hear how God takes and uses it to build the kingdom today were so blessed to have with us Bob Huber with the hero center and their concert coming up on 911 it's a remembrance conference of the hero center 1500 Bridges Dr. in High Point 7:15 PM that night and talk about that as well as David Winters with taking God to work his book is the author of that focus as well as sabbatical of the mind what you talk about just a minute ago is got a wonderful website you can find out about all this and more@kingdomproceeds.com but the part that kind of blows my mind. Bob is nobody's called in with my Ritalin. I thought it was one of the easiest ones I've ever done, but here you go. 866-34-TRUTH 87884 the original workers life in the Bible was quite a plot but due to his betrayal. The curse made work. No bed of roses like a quick scan through a magazine he tried to leave through it. Who was he 866-34-TRUTH 878-848-6634 truth Fisher digitally gifted you could do it that way. And again you can win book from the kingdom pursuit price also getting back to David as I was thinking about taking God to work in there you are at the office of Homeland security. Your job kinda came about as a result of 9/11 right exactly.

I was with government for 33 years maybe of the time and all of the fervor that was stirred up as people tried to help tried to figure out how they could make the country paperwork to do things smarter everything like that led to the birth of a new agent which with Department of Homeland Security. Of course, though, when they did that they poured together all the separate age of 26 or 29 total.

But all these different agency and they each have their own way of doing things, though at one point it got kind of jumbled up in those first two years and they put out a call to experience people and I had been cut up all of the big shot in the Defense Department account that contract and grant if I went over to help with that. And eventually thought that right on the front line. They needed help with people to be provided actual buying are spending billions of dollars and they really didn't have the experience and all to do that though it was kind of a job getting thrown into the fire. You know my baby job I could've done in my sleep and I experienced at it when I got over to him security, you really got it day and that it was a lot of fun to take all that I've learned of my career up to that point and apply it to really a branding thing that God's timing there but it was certainly a big challenge when I listen that's to react.

It's it's pretty clear that he takes us comfort zone quite often in the things we never want to dream and within that adventure. Nina brings us to places that really those books wouldn't be with us if he hadn't brought you through that, exactly. And you know I had dreamed all child wanting to write a book and yet the only regret I have, but didn't do it while my mom living because he captivated that couple years before retired but I finally got there.

Put out for book got another one coming out January I write both nonfiction and fiction in that dream that I had to write I really have been giving that to the board over and over because there's so many aspects of it. If you ever written a book about the people that do you know it isn't just the dancer typewriter and a book popped out yet.

There's all kind of stepped to getting it to improving the quality of the right to make something work. While including test readers, all that sort of thing. And boy I just enjoy that I've enjoyed the people I've met high no one exactly where God wants me to be the highlight. And Bob, you came from the military as well and God gave you, your dream job where you needed to know all that he'd been teaching you for years exactly even thinking of the military.

We know that our first responders rallied on that day and the days that followed, but in our response to the terrorist attacks every had its did not defeat us didn't write a lawsuit really reunited and renewed us the real deployed first responders was a military and we never realize it was engaging in, and the longest and get war or conflict resolution in the history of our country and so part of what to hero center has been set up for this to deal with those who have gone into combat has first responders and gone across the ocean to other countries in order to try to prevent such terror coming back into our country ever again, but they need care.

So I workplace is actually caring for first responders who literally deployed into the face of the axis of evil to the very shoreline of evil to try to stop that and so the hero center has been established to bring those combat veterans back home and help them go from combat to a classroom or training apprenticeships so that they can be stable influences in our community and so first responders have some very unique needs is called trauma. Trauma is a normal response or crisis. And so, so many of the first responders. Looking back on their stories never realized that one day change their life and left them so terror in the memories and the visions of those images and NSAIDs needs dealt with as well.

But similarly your story was somebody give you that care. Obviously, God through other people in so many different ways and that you are able to comfort others. So your story just my own personal story is being a combat officer in Vietnam. I was embedded with a battalion of reserve Vietnamese and so it was a very intense year.

I walked the rice patties for year but I was young. 22 and the other was intense year and in the government chose to recognize that with a bronze Star for valor. I thought when I come home I could just put it away and I couldn't but I did for number of years.

But when God called me into vocational ministry to serve the needs of our military, almost like Pandora's box opened up and became reaching into me in a firestorm that I never anticipated, and so I am braided 100% for PTSD simply because of those experiences to us, and enters healing for that. That's what I'm excited to share and what we want to be part of the hero center. We are mind, body and spirit and in the spirit of the veterans is where faith and hope reside as a great deal of what we do to help these veterans transitioning through the mental health challenges and restore them to wellness or coping skills is that God is a God who heals, and it is out of a relationship with God that they can find a healing that I found healing comes to messaging telling the story and so that's what David is done and taken God to work it's it's a story told out of his own journey and own experience some curiosity. You mention this being one of your two life versus how did those verses speak into the pain of of what you'd experienced. Well, initially when we were going to the trauma I wasn't looking for Bible verses. I was looking for chair I was looking for someone to just come along side of say Bob I understand what you're doing but but later on that the very verse that you had quoted earlier, the God of all comfort in the God of all mercy comforts us in all of our distresses and so he was being really to receive comfort and be willing to receive comfort is an open admission that you do have a need so many of our military will not admit that they have a problem, they will not admit it is a crisis going on that are fighting an addiction that they're fighting sleepless nights, in the sense of agitation. So once he unzipped and recognize there is a crisis going on. Then you can speak God's hope in God's love and speak into them and it it's a verses like that we recognize God's comfort, but as David is done it is for God asks us to speak out of our own experiences gases to take what we've experienced in God's care and speak that care into others.

Another tragic life experiences was a death of a child who was run over by a neighbor, so there were many who grieve and they look to someone who has experienced a grief found God's comfort finds God's help and healing so that process that you are able to help others in a box. A great way to do that and I David now has a legacy that we all can read.

I wish I'd written a book as God did so many things and healing that still can.

By the way so that I was aligned is just you know I would think David that that adventure with you and God was just really revealing to you if nobody else exactly. I wrote it as I was going through a bad ankle but I couldn't really let down into it and write it out into a book until I retired and at that yeah the uninterrupted block of time, and I think at that point my learning process. What that time I really wasn't ready while I'm doing about occult to do a lot of heavy writing but you know it interesting how God take our own experience that might yet pastors my co-authors and he had to leave over 100 pound ball to the church in the in the process, but mentioned that you know in in the book that you got to work as well, but he wrote a best-selling book about it and it would parody done Saturday night live and on Saturday night live bait that a pastor in Virginia.

One way you can hear you on the means of our bad ability to get out to get in the mainstream media not even that make the program more popular and why did I only got income all that is awesome. We got to go to a break got so much for coming up with Bob and David hunting since that when we hear how God takes her passion and uses it to build the kingdom today were blessed with us again Bob over with the hero center and there you we want to know you let you know you're invited. Wherever you are. You could even be in Virginia today or in Raleigh or Charlotte to the event that's happening in High Point, North Carolina to 9/11 remembrance conference concert conference at the concert at 1500 Bridges Dr. in High Point. We also have with us David Winters. His book, we are speaking about. Specifically, today's I Love well I guess to severe form of the anomaly want to talk about today is taking God work which lines up well with Labor Day and I'm just, you know, I know I've been gone for two weeks and I guess my my feeling and hosts.

Although I appreciate so much what they did, they fail to keep my riddles going so nobody is used to calling in anymore that they could win kingdom pursuit prize package by just calling it 866-34-TRUTH 87884 and tell us it you know the original worker in the Bible that alone should get you. It 866-34-TRUTH 87884 but when I say like a quick scan through a magazine he tried to leave his way through it not come on 866-34-TRUTH 87884. Don't let me down.

Don't let me stumped the panel. My first week back. Don't let that happen to be courageous, pick up the phone 866-34-TRUTH 87884 when we were when we left our heroes and I mean that in this case because in both cases we have folks and serve the country in very unique ways through the Department of Homeland Security and Navy and and what branch the service.

All of the lines were and yet my heart is going to the pet right now and they ran up like crazy, but you are in which branch the service resumed infantry in the Army for 10 years and so happy to serve the will to serve longer to was not a reduction in manpower at the time to do that at this that is awesome and during a break in odd number for a long time and in a not that I'm feeling a little bit. I don't know what I'm feeling but I just share Mike my pain with you Bob that during one of the breaks. Bob says you know you don't really care for me to, you know, my pain and then a little while later, even I've known Bob for a long time. He shares on the air that he lost a son that was hit by car, at the age of seven.

I didn't know, and so at during a break.

I'm like oh my goodness that's unbelievably tragic. I knew that you'd served in Vietnam. I knew some about that, but to lose a son, and I cannot you know Bob Young is one of my best friends and went through the loss of Bob son Rob and it was unbelievably brutal but I hadn't thought about that at different you went through that yourself. That is correct is this one of life's biggest tragedies is having to bear your children and and we recognize our children are low. We hope for a lifetime. In this case Michael was on loan for just seven years in the time.

I think he had his own legacy X at school.

He was Vista will witness to his class in the school dedicated to the yearbook to him so he has a lasting legacy but that's where that verse of the God of all comfort and clearly it enters want in voluntarily into a ministry of those who grieve and so again until they know that you've experienced that pain that not ready to listen to you do that, that we work to the conference center and I just simply said we have three children ones of the military ones in college. Terry lost a son when he was seven. That was it. And right after at the conference center people just come up to us that I got to talk to you. I lost a sister. I lost a spouse, how did you get to it and so were able to speak into the pain, and helps them recognize God whispered to me when in my anger so I lost a son to so not only did he know it, intellectually or divinely, but he knew it experientially. What was like and yet we agree, but as a Bible says not as the world who has no hope so.

Michael just leapfrogged over the rest of his family is up there in heaven. His favorite word at that time was awesome. So why would you sing in heaven would be awesome and so was I will be terrified. All that is an Jesus has a by the hand washing with him and show him his kingdom, and it was a special farm that we were carried by God, that one day God said I got a set you down. We know the footprints in the sand and got to curious, but he said we gotta put you down. You gotta go back into the world and to give the message of hope even admits a grief while while that is some powerful stuff that I had really no idea.

My goodness, but on the other side of that you say some things are good and some for Robbie is really good because we have Evelyn is in Winston-Salem has an answer to my real assignment feel better all day for Evelyn thank you for the courage to call in and solve our riddle. Who was this character that was the first person to work in the Bible. You're exactly a he was a workaholic. I guess as a lot of animals to name you know and and some I'm I'm really proud.

I mean hippopotamus that's a great word, great.

He's got all that stuff you Evelyn you made my day.

Thank you for calling.

God bless, I proceed to call it there you go.

Think about all those names. He came up with Bob Birkenstock and Soros is my favorite Birkenstock and sources. The sea have a certain tan line on his feet from the David in that it you know Bob brings out some amazing stuff that I am so touched by how God gave you this passion, but he also gave you as a young man, the passion to write and and you know what a gift that is to see what God is done for you through actually be memo read the book yet thing to get a chance to express my thought in a way that I hope will help someone and one of the most rewarding moment so far have been a guy sent me email through my website and he lived in LA California court and EM said that he was living in a car and he was so overwhelmed with anxiety that he had lost his job. He got out and that from reading my book.

He got the courage up to try again and he got the job and that with getting it first or second check and hope to get back into helping really and that kind of Bob no ability to influence someone when they need it the most wonderful thing I can tell your other gifts that you with the same way you know leaving grief share at my church same experience. Just being able to help. And that's really what God wants everyone to think that's what we wrote taking got to work. If we want people activated at their job and not go through it like bomb genetics really intentionally love other people. While that there wow so I'm finding out you know I better if you lead grief share your church did you lose someone as well. Well, we've all lost people you know I grew up in time to save it will come back corrective book about it… But literally we've all had law and we met most of it did not take time to grieve because you know I'm a guy that told you I shouldn't agree that all the feelings that we have and then give someone at church needed a friend to get your great share with but went through it at that.

You know a student and I realized I have a lot of heart. Other people are hurting because of the various while my mom and dad, my brother died way too young at 40 back to a lot of different walks of my life and being able to understand God's plan for Greek and how you must walk through all that. With that changed my life and not like steam people give their heart to Christ for the first time to the greater part of the nation -like bank and get lots of friends and gone through.

I got Orlando was in High Point we can find out what Orlando has forced Orlando you got answer for the riddle of how we lost Orlando you might have somebody other than Adam and mine, Bob, we do need to tell me a quick look at this concert coming up its on all dates 9/11 not too hard to remember that one current and so it's actually on 9/11, correct this.

It is 715. The high point etc. 1900 Bridges Dr. and who also can be there. We are going to have our Guilford County infamous very popular Sheriff BJ blind eye.

We had Orlando again and getting him in here real quick.

Orlando quickly what you got Bob hello and Orlando and worked with Mme., it wasn't who was it would got to go see my history.

You're right, you are exact you know my listeners.

I was somewhat smarter than me.

Orlando, I'm so glad you can think about it other first human worker was Adams organist to give the gift other, but you Orlando you deserve. God bless you and appreciate you all right.

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